Clive You make a good point - in 25 years, some of us will have been using DCAD for 50 years (or 45 or whatever). And /or designing harps on some cloud. (or maybe a new shovel design for stoking the fires). We need to get more youngsters into this. Someone who can take over when we fall over, harness and all.

A friend's son was surveying large steel pipes (for water) with kinks and intersecting 'tributaries' in all directions - the intersections had to be oxycut out for welding. He drew them using an incredibly complex program. I showed him how long it took to draw the intersections using DCAD - he was impressed, and I suspect he will be a convert. The other thing you may have noticed Clive is that many around here (minstrel and prl in particular) often mention the synergy between DCAD and Sketchup.

I believe I am right in saying that SU costs about $500. You end up with a very neat presentation, but personally I have a problem with the concept of the drafthorse (DCAD) costing so little, and the presentation vehicle (SU) costing 5 times as much. I'll let others expand on and/or correct this observation as they wish or feel inclined - but the combination of the two programs does seem to be pretty impressive. PS Have you checked out minstrel's youtubes? They are a good introduction. Another fun exercise in adding, subtracting and intersecting solids is this one (well I thought it was fun anyways ). We cleaned house at work and I saved the following:...

I saw your mention of Express V19 and a free trial download and I'd like to try it out. Have been using DesignCad 2000 Pro and have recently.

Complete in original box: DesignCAD 3D for Windows V5 Reference Manual (1995) DesignCAD 3D for Windows V5 User Guide (1995) DesignCAD 3D for Windows V5 BasiCAD Reference (1995) DesignCAD 3D for Windows V5 floppy disks 3 1/2' DesignCAD 2D Installation and Tutorial Manual (1992) Advertising, etc. Complete in original box: DesignCAD 2D/3D 97 Reference Manual (1997) DesignCAD 2D/3D 97 Usre's Guide (1997) DesignCAD 2D/3D 97 CD Advertising, etc. Ok, I'm still trying to track down some versions. Phil, you are saying versions 5 were released as separate 2d/3d products in both in DOS and Windows? I know for sure: 2d versions 4 to 6.1 were in DOS. 3d version 4 was in DOS but you're saying there was also a Windows version 5 in both 2d/3d.

Was there also a Windows version 6 in 2d or 3d or both? I may have been ignoring them because they were Windows and so different. I too thought version 7 was the first Windows in 2d, but I can't demonstrate that.

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